How to counter an ACC spec?

[jordz]

Hi guys, i've been searching the forum over for this and got nothin'.

I found about dealing cora mages. Thread link (http://www.rfpoa.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=50472). Well since i'm a paladin, I can easily handle a mage 1 on 1 either pvping or running away from 'em. Overtime i've learned countering/ preventing each debuffs/spells.

But for these ACC specs, are there any ways on preventing/countering each grenades they use? I specifically hate their stun nades. May I please be enlightened thanks!

[Valdarez]

Sloth/Slow.
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[Defective]

aren't you a paladin? easy.

if they're running at you with their nade launcher on, sloth(slow) 'em. that way they'll shoot their nades FAR slower than usual, thus giving you time to purge and back off(or attack, if you can kill them with a few shots).

second debuff you should use would be entangle(restrain, f the new names >.>). this'll prevent them from using stun nades(stun nade is expert tier skill) and some melee/range skill, good especially when they're xclass.

and if your foe is a battle leader, use desolate to prevent 'em from using stone statue.

the rest of the debuffs can follow :P

[noyki86]

1.) slow (sloth) --> the one that slows down attack speed
2.) desolate
3.) skill debuff
4.) vulne
5.) FF!

[jordz]

Wew.. i never thought of using sloth. Well i am aware of using desolate and entangle, but usually that's during a gang bang on the spec. Hmmm.. is there a debuff that prevents them from using nades like VI or Net? Like soulmute for a cora mage. ..

Thanks for the tips guys!

[Progesterones]

1.sloth
2.stifle
3.restrain

[Bebby]

- sloth
- desolate
- skill debuff
- elemental burn
- attack ( FF )

[jordz]

1.sloth
2.stifle
3.restrain

So if this slows spec nade attacks, this applies to mage's debuffs/attacks as well? I only use this spell on warriors/rangers. :biggrin:

[suaveernest]

So if this slows spec nade attacks, this applies to mage's debuffs/attacks as well? I only use this spell on warriors/rangers. :biggrin:Yes, even pots.

[jordz]

Yes, even pots.

WWHHAATT?? WEW.. if this is true then i'm such a noob.

@topic

Soulmute = anti cora mage debuff
??? = anti ACC specs nades .

[BlackThirteen]

Yes, even pots.

pretty sure it doesnt slow pot cooldowns. Just all buff/debuff/attack/skill cooldowns.

[Halcyon_]

ctrl-alt-delete, processes, rfonline.bin, end process, yes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH GO KILL YOURSELF LITTLE ACCRETIAN SPEC.

Only applies if you are venomlogger.

[suaveernest]

WWHHAATT?? WEW.. if this is true then i'm such a noob.

@topic

Soulmute = anti cora mage debuff
??? = anti ACC specs nades .Nah, I was messin' with yer. >:D
Just all buff/debuff/attack/skill cooldowns.This, and attack speed.

[jordz]

OK guys, what if I want to fight back since it's a 1 on 1 situation and assume i've jabbed him enough to know i can kill him.. but HOW? What do I do so i won't get netted, VIed, stunned? I think sloth isn't enough.

[noyki86]

OK guys, what if I want to fight back since it's a 1 on 1 situation and assume i've jabbed him enough to know i can kill him.. but HOW? What do I do so i won't get netted, VIed, stunned? I think sloth isn't enough.

you most probably wont kill each other 1 on 1 but try getting pointblank close to it and spam convert + AOE skills (if he doesn't mind control you) =D

[jordz]

you most probably wont kill each other 1 on 1 but try getting pointblank close to it and spam convert + AOE skills (if he doesn't mind control you) =D

This is why i'm running out of convert rune since I spam too much and not being able to get the kill in the end. Or ends up dying instead coz his back up has come. :smile: oh well, I enjoy group battles anyway than 1 on 1.

Well i'm enlightened, thanks you guys!

Please close thread.

[loleron]

u guys ar emaking this too complicated

these are the bell forums right?

1. jump in mau
2. ???
3. profit!!!

[frinztre]

1. Right click MAU key
2. CTRL click the mau
3. Get in
4. Run


---:smile: let's see an ACC spamming NET and VI in ur MAU:biggrin:

[jordz]

u guys ar emaking this too complicated

these are the bell forums right?

1. jump in mau
2. ???
3. profit!!!

1. Right click MAU key
2. CTRL click the mau
3. Get in
4. Run


---:smile: let's see an ACC spamming NET and VI in ur MAU:biggrin:

LOL.. i guess i didn't make it clear. SORRY. As a footie only. But thanks for the tips.

In my case, as a paladin/magexwarrior. I just wanna know what debuff to use on an ACC spec to prevent them from using their grenades. Like soulmute on a cora mage. :biggrin:

[frinztre]

LOL.. i guess i didn't make it clear. SORRY. As a footie only. But thanks for the tips.

In my case, as a paladin/magexwarrior. I just wanna know what debuff to use on an ACC spec to prevent them from using their grenades. Like soulmute on a cora mage. :biggrin:

love the purge from cora.. no cooldown at all...

if ur mage-bk u cant die against 3 accs with spec.

restrain one of them, skill revoke the other one, purge yourself... sloth the spec.. purge run and purge... continue the cycle.

[noyki86]

love the purge from cora.. no cooldown at all...

if ur mage-bk u cant die against 3 accs with spec.

restrain one of them, skill revoke the other one, purge yourself... sloth the spec.. purge run and purge... continue the cycle.

yep there's no cooldown if NOT debuffed.. =D

[riful]

slow, restrain, run, refresh, purge (elite cr skill)

[jordz]

GGRREEAAT! :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[aecee0909]

venomkiller knows how to counter a spec, not only a spec but all class. ask him how.

[jordz]

venomkiller knows how to counter a spec, not only a spec but all class. ask him how.

:biggrin: LOL

[noyki86]

venomkiller knows how to counter a spec, not only a spec but all class. ask him how.

try to look for him in the forums coz he's banned from the game for more than a month.. :biggrin:

[aecee0909]

try to look for him in the forums coz he's banned from the game for more than a month.. :biggrin:

yeah, i know hes banned. the master of forcelogging is banned.
-1 forcelogger for poa.

and that post is meant to be a joke. lol.

[xlemonx1]

Remove ur armor. It will confuse them and they'll be all wtf? And then they'll delete their character.

[Schnaider]

nice advice, im going to use it too..:biggrin:

thanks a lot

[noyki86]

Remove ur armor. It will confuse them and they'll be all wtf? And then they'll delete their character.

rofl :biggrin:

[Pomminvarma]

tanked 20 accs with net/vi perma on in +0 meelee gear. learn to play.

[jordz]

tanked 20 accs with net/vi perma on in +0 meelee gear. learn to play.

i've tanked 5 accs in dragon armor for 5 mins till their council came. :biggrin: i know how to play.

[bogo195]

venomkiller knows how to counter a spec, not only a spec but all class. ask him how.


dont forget Cloud plox from ANGE guild!!!! imba escape!!!:biggrin::biggrin:

[iDeath]

i've tanked 5 accs in dragon armor for 5 mins till their council came. :biggrin: i know how to play.

if ur a melee..u cant escape from a spec :D just mages can and mau riders.

[CCC-PamPam]

Spec's are only good with in the party not necessaryly on solo raid(if we talk on high level vs high level)...:biggrin:

[SurpriseAnal]

take off all ur armor and run to a mob, lmfao. that works. Or just have 2 people with you lol

[lorenzio7]

Spec's are only good with in the party not necessaryly on solo raid(if we talk on high level vs high level)...:biggrin:

lol really coz i knw a spec with l33t gear and knw how to play a class can solo almost anything in pvp... as for melee type vs a spec if the spec knws how to play his class and the melee type aint that good the melee is a goner lmao

[iDeath]

lol really coz i knw a spec with l33t gear and knw how to play a class can solo almost anything in pvp... as for melee type vs a spec if the spec knws how to play his class and the melee type aint that good the melee is a goner lmao

ye...a spec can solo..everything...except mages and maus

[Z3RO]

I dont know about this one.. Al im gonna say is I watched dank go around and straight own people on his spec

[iDeath]

I dont know about this one.. Al im gonna say is I watched dank go around and straight own people on his spec

sure..im talking about players..not dumbfucks.

[Defective]

ye...a spec can solo..everything...except mages and maus

diggin' up some old vids
http://www.xfire.com/video/b036d/
http://www.xfire.com/video/91ac5/

can't find my vid soloing a nub mage :3

and oh, for MAUs, switch to melee set and boom it little by little

[iredeemer]

lies lies lies lies lies ^_^

[sparkle11]

What if you are a templar?

[Transcend]

can't find my vid soloing a nub mage :3

Oh you mean this one? http://www.xfire.com/video/af875/

[gwapa101]

whoa!

great help

[Defective]

Oh you mean this one? http://www.xfire.com/video/af875/

OLOL yeah that one, how come I missed it xD

[[HMP]ACC]

hahaha i'm posting at 6:49 in the morning. hahaha

Well, easy......

Sloth-Blind Sight- and if you're gonna pk a BattleLeader-most of them are, Stifle.

[sparkle11]

Oh you mean this one? http://www.xfire.com/video/af875/

Aw, Why don't he just use the (unable to use skills) than (unsable to use force skills) [I dont the name xD]

[GreenLantern]

u guys ar emaking this too complicated

these are the bell forums right?

1. Jump in mau
2. ???
3. Profit!!!
underpants gnomes!!!!!

[Pomminvarma]

and oh, for MAUs, switch to melee set and boom it little by little

wtb 20 net clips, we'll see how well you'll handle perma net, o wait that's a "for acc only" thing.

there is no real way to counter acc specs in this game, you can only improve your own survaibility by buying regen charms to regen with VI on and debuff the spec to increase the survival of your teamates. a BL will stone form if you ff him, and merc cross will just cleanse the shit off and run like a booster if he get's focus fired.

accs jsut are the most oped race, live with it, cause all the cries for nerfs will just make em all noobs race hop if you try to balance the race out. (what's the point of playing oped race if it aint oped?)

[jordz]

there is no real way to counter acc specs in this game, you can only improve your own survaibility by buying regen charms to regen with VI on and debuff the spec to increase the survival of your teamates.


Well that says it all. Question though, do wisdom talics on helmets work on Accretian debuffs? I am sure it works on Corites.

[Pomminvarma]

Well that says it all. Question though, do wisdom talics on helmets work on Accretian debuffs? I am sure it works on Corites.

suposely they're broken for all that i know oO, i do know debuff duration reduces do work againts acc nades also, at least the pureness charm. havent cheked the guardian knife yet if you can reduce the duration with it, prefer usin the wind chaos knife for stunning all aproachin meelees with counter atk.

[Defective]

Well that says it all. Question though, do wisdom talics on helmets work on Accretian debuffs? I am sure it works on Corites.

wisdom talic = talic crystal material, that is all.

[jordz]

wisdom talic = talic crystal material, that is all.

LOL.. just like those mobs, i wanna cancel those casted debuffs on the spot and disappoint the spec biyatches. :biggrin: I have a guardian knife, works well on force debuffs i'm just wondering if it works on ACC, haven't tried yet since running away with the wind chaos knife seems more reliable.

[stevenpro96]

Man I've only played Cora and Bellato for like a week each, both on Force users. I really don't like to turn against my race but I'm starting to worry about "SOME" of the people who post about their ways to counter Accretian specialists.


Okay here's some tips for some of you:
1.) Take some time studying all the debuffs in your Force window. Read the descriptions/effects, that will really help you guys out on which debuff to use against an Accretian specialist.

2.)Accretian nades are (for you Force users) spammable debuffs. Like #1 said, look for anything that relates to debuffs. Some people try to debuff us with something (forgot the name) that prevents us from using offensive skills/force. Duhhhhhh.... we spam debuffs, not 358 Pressure Bombs plus 927 Blaze Pearls.

Hopefully I helped "SOME" of you and at the same time not give you too much info on how to counter my attacks against you guys. Goodluck trying to find your ways.

[Defective]

2.)Accretian nades are (for you Force users) spammable debuffs. Like #1 said, look for anything that relates to debuffs. Some people try to debuff us with something (forgot the name) that prevents us from using offensive skills/force. Duhhhhhh.... we spam debuffs, not 358 Pressure Bombs plus 927 Blaze Pearls.

meh I doubt you even know how to play spec properly >_>

restrain = no pressure bomb, no stun nades, effective against xclass specs

[iDeath]

u guys ar emaking this too complicated

these are the bell forums right?

1. jump in mau
2. ???
3. profit!!!

im not sure about this..if they find you lol

[jordz]

meh I doubt you even know how to play spec properly >_>

restrain = no pressure bomb, no stun nades, effective against xclass specs

Wew, stun nades gets disabled? didn't know that. I cast sloth on them just to slow their stunning.. :frown:

ei dude, i just want to know where do you get infos on their nades? Mind sharing? :smile: thanks

[iDeath]

Wew, stun nades gets disabled? didn't know that. I cast sloth on them just to slow their stunning.. :frown:

ei dude, i just want to know where do you get infos on their nades? Mind sharing? :smile: thanks

lol..he was a spec in 221 and he knows what buffs can slow down a spec.

[stevenpro96]

Lol I was looking at some people who said they did stuff to counter the VI + nets... I barely saw anyone talking about stun nades. Restraints might be good for stun nades, but do they help about the spammed VI + nets? Are VI and nets offensive skills or debuffs? Think about it...

[Pomminvarma]

Lol I was looking at some people who said they did stuff to counter the VI + nets... I barely saw anyone talking about stun nades. Restraints might be good for stun nades, but do they help about the spammed VI + nets? Are VI and nets offensive skills or debuffs? Think about it...

because stun nades= simple, just restrain the fucker ? or wtf they call entangle theese days. and if you wana survive net vi spam you need to be a mage/meelee xclass or you're fucked when people stack debuffs on you, while making you spam purge on yourself like no tomorrow.
explaing how mage/meelee xclass is like trying to tell you how to play 2 chars at the same time, too much of a bother that it is. Biggest issue simply being people do not know anything about game. Trying to lecture people about how shit works get's boring and dull quick enough to bore you and those listening to you in couple minutes.

every1 who knows how an acc gander is used properly is major pain in the arse due to not having a cooldown on debuffs.

[jordz]

Lol I was looking at some people who said they did stuff to counter the VI + nets... I barely saw anyone talking about stun nades. Restraints might be good for stun nades, but do they help about the spammed VI + nets? Are VI and nets offensive skills or debuffs? Think about it...

Sorry sir but where are you going at? Not everything can be countered with 1 specific thing at a time am i right? If Restrain can't disable VI/Net then spam refresh and cure pots? If not zerged with more than 2 specs i think survivability = 90%.. i assume.

[Pomminvarma]

Sorry sir but where are you going at? Not everything can be countered with 1 specific thing at a time am i right? If Restrain can't disable VI/Net then spam refresh and cure pots? If not zerged with more than 2 specs i think survivability = 90%.. i assume.

try any high dmg spec roaming around the sette, you'll find yourself most likely dead. it's net vi stun nades/pressure and a dead fleshie. sure there are ways to counter them but you know what? there's ways to counter counters.

[jordz]

try any high dmg spec roaming around the sette, you'll find yourself most likely dead. it's net vi stun nades/pressure and a dead fleshie. sure there are ways to counter them but you know what? there's ways to counter counters.

I agree. That's why i wondered sometimes i can tank more than 4 well geared ACCs and times where i'm biting the dust by only 2 specs. No counter can counter everything. - A boxer's code.

[Pomminvarma]

I agree. That's why i wondered sometimes i can tank more than 4 well geared ACCs and times where i'm biting the dust by only 2 specs. No counter can counter everything. - A boxer's code.

you cant counter the aproaching floor, /ko

edi: shame the topic aint boxing tho.

[bogo195]

The only way to encounter ACC spec is force logout!!! ahahah :redface:
thats was mostly people do when they are net lock!! :eek:

[Prometheus]

Oh you mean this one? http://www.xfire.com/video/af875/

I died a little when I saw constrict on the Acc....

[jordz]

Oh you mean this one? http://www.xfire.com/video/af875/

Legendary! Contain for an ACC. LOL:biggrin:...

[Syko216]

a good way to counter specs as a bell mage, class into a astralist so you can use your escape skill... as a ranger, equip all your dodge gear, a stun weapon and wedge down your function key that will spam the cure chargers... as a warrior, you shouldnt travel alone anyways since your slow w/o buffs and the inability to use any useful force debuffs to keep your enemies at close range should indicate that you need a party for 99% of PvP... If your a AR or a rare mental smith simply use your class abilities... AR just in your goliath and run away, mental smith setup your turrets so you can cause them to not want to attack you or give you time to run away as they blow up the turrets...

Personally i love my stealer on cora... get the entire acc army on me while i have parry activated so my dodge is 231 and once they all come for me and my team got away safely fake death to then log out...

Acc lack accuracy and the bell race has good dodge, even with 181 dodge most bellato shouldnt have a problem dodging any acc w/o violent wild headsets and perfection gens. Most Acc specs are too busy saving TP for dragon armors to buy anything crap loads of charms and it not like the whole race has Violent Wild headsets... but they should still be nerfed, lower the accuracy on them or remove the MS... having both is too OP'd but every acc will tell you its fair that they can have up to +6 MS

[Defective]

Legendary! Contain for an ACC. LOL:biggrin:...

Tranquility + Force Revoke, actually. pure win.

[jordz]

a good way to counter specs as a bell mage, class into a astralist so you can use your escape skill... as a ranger, equip all your dodge gear, a stun weapon and wedge down your function key that will spam the cure chargers... as a warrior, you shouldnt travel alone anyways since your slow w/o buffs and the inability to use any useful force debuffs to keep your enemies at close range should indicate that you need a party for 99% of PvP... If your a AR or a rare mental smith simply use your class abilities... AR just in your goliath and run away, mental smith setup your turrets so you can cause them to not want to attack you or give you time to run away as they blow up the turrets...

Personally i love my stealer on cora... get the entire acc army on me while i have parry activated so my dodge is 231 and once they all come for me and my team got away safely fake death to then log out...

Acc lack accuracy and the bell race has good dodge, even with 181 dodge most bellato shouldnt have a problem dodging any acc w/o violent wild headsets and perfection gens. Most Acc specs are too busy saving TP for dragon armors to buy anything crap loads of charms and it not like the whole race has Violent Wild headsets... but they should still be nerfed, lower the accuracy on them or remove the MS... having both is too OP'd but every acc will tell you its fair that they can have up to +6 MS

I like this.

Tranquility + Force Revoke, actually. pure win.

I meant he put contain on you. Maybe he was dreaming you holding a staff? :biggrin:

[Smidget]

Best way to counter an ACC spec is just to FF the spec till that spec can't take enough damage and forces him*if Battle Leader* to turn to stone...then kill all those remaining units and then kill the spec for good...xD

[iDeath]

Best way to counter an ACC spec is just to FF the spec till that spec can't take enough damage and forces him*if Battle Leader* to turn to stone...then kill all those remaining units and then kill the spec for good...xD

the worst ideea ever.

[[GM]BlackOut]

housebrick to the face or bottle him.

[LaunchMeister]

BlackOut;781983']housebrick to the face or bottle him.

Ballpeen hammer, as well.

[Reki]

Best way to counter an ACC spec is just to FF the spec till that spec can't take enough damage and forces him*if Battle Leader* to turn to stone...then kill all those remaining units and then kill the spec for good...xD

Worst idea ever. No target died and your whole party's attacks are in cooldown. This kind of stupidity only works if you outnumber the other party.

[Valdarez]

Best way to counter an ACC spec is just to FF the spec till that spec can't take enough damage and forces him*if Battle Leader* to turn to stone...then kill all those remaining units and then kill the spec for good...xD
*removed the yellow color
Lolwat,if your going to do it that way then you have to take down the rest of em within 30 secs which i doubt it since they got zomgwtfhaxbbqgodlike dsr heck even their lau armors got 489 while our cr armors got only 486, if the spec is not a noob(ie log out/portout) hell just go annoy you again with net/vi spam best way is to desolate/stiffle the spec and FF the spec right away.

[Paci]

Bukkake the spec.

[Smidget]

Worst idea ever. No target died and your whole party's attacks are in cooldown. This kind of stupidity only works if you outnumber the other party.

Read carefully dude, "KILL" all remaining targets while the spec is still a statue...Ur the stupid one for not actually understanding...T_T

[Reki]

Read carefully dude, "KILL" all remaining targets while the spec is still a statue...Ur the stupid one for not actually understanding...T_T
You are pvping with lowbies or only join zerg parties too much if you think it's that easy.

Your party FFs the spec then he stoneforms before dying. While this is happening, the acc party FFs your mage and dies. After 30 seconds, the spec will fight again and you have 1 dead mage. You try to FF the spec again and lets say you killed him. But while this is happening, you lose ANOTHER party member. Awts you lose 2 ppl just to kill 1.

Here is another fact: there are MORE accretian specs than bell mages. Good luck having 2 mages in your party while acc parties ALWAYS have 2 specs. So now you will lose 4 party members just to kill 2 specs? So now you realize that it's time to right click your HQ scroll and press the withdraw button in the party window because you realized that it was the worst idea.

Learn to pvp.

[Valdarez]

@smidget
Lol,with that reply I assume you dont even read the thing I wanted to point out in my post ah well.

[Transcend]

Just Sloth + Stiffle the shit out of him. Better if yah got 2-3 mage/chandras on you party, 1~2 of the chandra busy healing/purging/buffing the hell out of yer party and the other mage barraging debuffs to teh spec, but it's damn to hard to find a mage (good one) on bellato.

[iDeath]

no1 wanna trade some of my acc elems for bcc elems? :D i wanna play a chandra.

[GhostNyc]

i hear hammerdins are pretty good at killing anything.

[Syko216]

You are pvping with lowbies or only join zerg parties too much if you think it's that easy.

Your party FFs the spec then he stoneforms before dying. While this is happening, the acc party FFs your mage and dies. After 30 seconds, the spec will fight again and you have 1 dead mage. You try to FF the spec again and lets say you killed him. But while this is happening, you lose ANOTHER party member. Awts you lose 2 ppl just to kill 1.

Here is another fact: there are MORE accretian specs than bell mages. Good luck having 2 mages in your party while acc parties ALWAYS have 2 specs. So now you will lose 4 party members just to kill 2 specs? So now you realize that it's time to right click your HQ scroll and press the withdraw button in the party window because you realized that it was the worst idea.

Learn to pvp.


Amen. Sloth, desolate, skill revoke the spec. lots of CPT hugging specs only use melee armor anyways so even with lau bracers its slow as shit, but then you add sloth and its 1 debuff every 5-8 seconds. that all you do, unless you got a zerg to to just wipe them. if the spec is wearing lau armor you should still sloth and revoke him, evasion + counter-attack will not be very good for bells who also lack accuracy. after that the mages should focus on debuffing his party member with entangle power drain healing/purging your non-casters.

you must remember that ~1/3 of the acc on this server are ranger/merc so all it takes is a couple debuffs to ruin their chances of doing anything. after the real combatants have been rendered unless you can start picking off the spec. The bell strategy for battle against the ACC is to make your team out last the opposing force. for the bells its not about killing quickly but killing efficiently. if your busy using all your spells as attacks your wasting your important debuffs on a target that might not even die. After that you probably lost a member or 2 by allowing the acc to FF your team mates. 1 mage from bell or cora can screw up 3 acc in under 5 seconds easily. power drain 1, sloth the spec, and skill revoke the guy with the bow and melee armor.

[blezzenie]

.,MIND CONTROL and Mastery of handling a specialist of an accretian makes a perfect machine for war,.... XD in a spec,.. :biggrin: ,.. easy on handling CW using a spec before!... MIND CONTROL FOR THE DIVER WTF FTW! :biggrin:

.,now im an xclass, but still, if ur a good pvpers, and a good player of handling ur char class,.. u can also kill or escape ur foes,... :biggrin: GOOD LUCK XD